Wednesday, November 05, 2008

Like a stage

People. Chill. What kind of idol have you made out of your ideal of what America should be that you're even talking about moving away just because someone with a different set of ideals than you just got elected? I mean, yes, I would rather McCain had won, but this happened. You adjust, you deal. Stop talking about moving somewhere, even in jest, and get constructive.

You all frustrate me.

3 comments:

Jonathan said...

To copy what I said on Facebook:

Yes I agree that we need to move on with our lives. To answer your question I’m not going anywhere. There is nowhere else to go. I think people who are making jokes about leaving believe (correctly IMO) that Obama will change America and we will not longer live in a free country. You can argue whether we should care about that or not but I think that joking about leaving is a way of expressing that concern. I don’t see anything wrong with saying in effect “I don’t want to live in a nanny state where the government takes care of my every need”.

And then to add some additional thoughts:

Who is talking about moving away? If they are saying that because the Republicans (or conservatives, not that we have had many of those in power lately) aren't in control anymore I want to move away, then I completely agree. That is just plain dumb. It just seems to me that it is more then that. Obama thinks that our constitution is flawed because it doesn't deal with redistribution of wealth. He is a Marxist. I would rather not live in an America where the government plays Robin Hood (more then they already are). I don't want to live in a place where the government is that powerful.

Is that ideal an idol?

Russ said...

1) There are plenty of places to go (like come here!)

2) You don't have all the same friends that I do on Facebook. Way too many people commenting about leaving, way too many people bemoaning that 'Socialism is coming' and 'We're no longer an X nation.' Stop that, we never were an X nation. Religion does not dictate a specific kind of political viewpoint.

3) I seriously doubt that Obama will be able to 'accomplish' all the things he claims he wants to, like redistribution of wealth or universal healthcare. Look at the way the country voted, geographically. I don't think it's entirely unrealistic to say that a Johnsonian moment is a possibility on the horizon. And what's anyone going to do about that? (To be fair, I think it would be coming no matter who got elected.)

4) Do you really think with the way the economy has been moving that socialism is going to come into play soon? U.S.S.R. in the late 80's seem familiar? If Obama tries to move to a nanny state... he's smarter than that.

5) Just wait and watch is mainly what I'm saying. No more knee jerk reactions, more considered and thoughtful responses.

Jonathan said...

1) There are plenty of places to go (like come here!)

You never know! Unrelated to the election, doing something like you have been doing has been in the back of my mind for a while.

2) You don't have all the same friends that I do on Facebook. Way too many people commenting about leaving, way too many people bemoaning that 'Socialism is coming' and 'We're no longer an X nation.' Stop that, we never were an X nation.

It depends on your definition of course but I believe we were at one time. But that ship sailed long before Obama was elected.

Religion does not dictate a specific kind of political viewpoint.

Depending on what you mean I might disagree with you here. I think your Religion should give you some principles that guide your politics. Maybe my reasoning is off somewhere but here is an example: My religion says that we do not want people to suffer and we should depend on God for our needs. Socialism (I believe) causes people to suffer and tends to cause people to depend on the government for their needs. Conclusion - socialism is not a good system and should not be supported.

3) I seriously doubt that Obama will be able to 'accomplish' all the things he claims he wants to, like redistribution of wealth or universal healthcare.

Your right he won't get everything done that he wants. But not for lack of trying.

I don't think it's entirely unrealistic to say that a Johnsonian moment is a possibility on the horizon. And what's anyone going to do about that? (To be fair, I think it would be coming no matter who got elected.)

Agreed, it does appear on the horizon and there probably isn't much we can do. The only difference is that Obama will probably take us there faster.

4) Do you really think with the way the economy has been moving that socialism is going to come into play soon? U.S.S.R. in the late 80's seem familiar? If Obama tries to move to a nanny state... he's smarter than that.

Only time will tell on this one. I think a percentage of the population doesn't remember the U.S.S.R. You heard about the lady who said that she was happy because she wouldn't have to worry about putting gas in her car or paying her mortgage right? She is going to be very disappointed when Obama doesn't fix her problems. The only way he could is via the nanny state. Yes hopefully he is smarter then that.

5) Just wait and watch is mainly what I'm saying. No more knee jerk reactions, more considered and thoughtful responses.

Sure, completely agree. Emotions run high for both sides during the election cycle. And it can definitely be taken too far. We shouldn't get so worked up about our guy winning or our guy loosing. Since they aren't really in charge anyway.